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I recently interviewed The Couch Potatoes.
The band is composed of Nicolas Boutin and
Jean-Michel Lapointe. Nicolas is known as
Nicolas B. or Nic B. when he DJs - a trade he's exercised for
over 10 years now. He's held residencies in numerous clubs in
Quebec City and Montreal and has played in several major cities
around the world. More recently, he's held the Friday night residency
at Club/After-hours Sona for almost a year and now resides at
Jingxi, also in Montreal. Nic has never done, nor wanted to do,
anything but DJ. For two years now, he has been one half of the
studio incarnation of the Couch Potatoes, the other half being
Jean-Michel Lapointe, a classically-trained musician and professional
studio technician and producer.
When they perform live, the Couch Potatoes add to their sound-system
a guitarist (Pascal Dufour, you'll know more about him later),
a percussionist (Michel Séguin, a session musician for
several recording artists), a saxophonist (Luc Lemay, a session
musician also known as the leader of his own excellent band, the
Funkaphones) and a vocalist (Überfrau Hilary Porter) while
Jean-Michel mans the keyboards and Nic does turntable duty.
The Couch Potatoes have one single out on their own "Nouvelle
Cuisine" label; a three-track E.P. (Sunny Side/Expresso Funk/Baby
Couch) released early in 1998. The E.P. sold quite well and held
the number one position of local in-store charts for several weeks
last year as well as a "residence" in many DJs record boxes. They
have recently signed a production and distribution deal with British
distributor Ideal and it's parent label Idea and there has also
been talks with people at Guidance Records. Their next release
will be one of my favorite tracks of late, "47 Degrees" (including
remixes) and, if I have any taste in music, they stand poised
to become extremely popular on the House scene. Nicolas and I
have been friends for almost 10 years now and we've very often
worked together as DJs. Alongside our friend Michel Plamondon
- who was credited for engineering on the Couches first single
- we were The Space Frogs, a live PA, for a couple of years back
in 94-95.
This interview was conducted on Sunday, April 5th, 1999, in the
shower of one of the locker rooms of the arena where the fifth
edition of "Bal en Blanc" was taking place, immediately after
the Couch Potatoes had wrapped up their amazing live performance.
The Ball in White, held every Easter weekend, is the second biggest
circuit party in Montreal after Black and Blue, held in the fall.
For the fifth edition, the lineup consisted of Nicolas, The Couch
Potatoes, Alain Vinet, David Knapp, Peter Rauhofer, Danny Tenaglia
and Jester. Although the number of tickets was limited to 7000,
over 10 000 showed up. At 10 pm, ticketless partygoers were told
they would not be able to get in before 4 am! By the time the
Couch Potatoes took the stage around a quarter to one, following
Nic's masterful warm-up set, the venue was at full capacity.
The interview was done in French, so I will do my best to not
merely translate it but to convey the meaning which is sometimes
harder to translate. I also wish to warn you, dear reader, that
I set out with but one goal. I wanted do a no-holds-barred interview
and transcribe the answers integrally. Interviewees were warned
of this yet some of the following might be offending to certain
people, but I don't really care. Sorry...
DJSC
May 1999
The following interview was conducted by DJSC on 04/05/99:
Ask yourselves a few questions...
NIC: (to Jean-Michel) Do you love me?
JEAN-MICHEL: (grunts suggestively in approval)
NIC: Would you fist me?
JM: Yes.
OK... How did it all begin?
NIC: Well... He fisted me, I fisted him and
it was love!
Could I get a real answer?
NIC: I'm being silly...
JM: I went to see Nic where he worked...
Where was it?
NIC: At Maurice...
JM: At Platine?...
NIC: At Maurice...
JM: ...And Ben Champagne told Nic I was gay...
NIC: ...And I was scared of him. It took
another year before he came to see me again at Maurice and asked
me "How about doing music together?"... Honestly I wasn't scared
at all, it's just that Ben Champagne is an asshole (laughs). You're
editing that out, right?
No, sorry. It will be transcribed integrally...
No off-the-record with me tonight...
NIC: Whatever... He came to see me at Maurice...
No! It was at Fourmi Atomik (a small alternative club in Quebec
City), there was a party on a Saturday night and we tlod oursleves
tlat...
NIC: ...We tlod oursleves tlat we shloud
dlo muslic toglether...
I have to take a leak...
Nancy, what's your opinion of Jean-Michel?
NANCY: Well, he's for sure an excellent musician.
He's not black but he sure has groove... Some people think black
people have more groove...
He's not black but he's got a big one!?!
NANCY: (laughs) ...No, no, no! He's got GROOVE!
He's got the groove in his blood...
That's true.
NANCY: He's got a touch for writing tracks
that get people moving and grooving...
Of course, of course...
NIC: ...It's so commercial that they hype
people. Fuck, we (the band) have a fucking problem. We want to
play fucking underground music so fucking bad that we end up not
being fucking popular...
As Nic is saying the above, some acquaintance of Nic's just showed
up and interrupted us, breaking into an X-rated reinterpretation
of a local folk song to which...
NIC: Patou is one hot dude!
So, we're doing this interview in a shower of
the Centre Sportif de l'Université de Montréal (otherwise
known as CEPSUM, a huge arena/sports complex), it's Easter Sunday...
NIC: (shouting) NO! DON'T YOU TURN THAT ON!!!
Jean-Michel was trying to turn on the shower on
us... We really are in... Just listen to the echo in here...
Meanwhile, Nic's shouting attracts someone whose somewhat of
a legend on the Montreal scene and whose name I don't remember
and is never mentioned. He walks in on us, shouting repeatedly,
mimicking Nic...
WEIRDO: (to no one) Helloooo...
Hello.
WEIRDO: (to me) Helloooo...
(to Nic) Who's this?
NIC: It's a legend...
Who are you... For the sake of this interview
I need you to introduce yourself...
NIC: Introduce yourself!
WEIRDO: (to Nic) Who is this?
NIC: Sebastien.
WEIRDO: Helloooo...
NO! NO!
OK! OK! (whistle) Enough! YO! (whistle) Hey!
So, finally how did it all begin? He went to see
you at Platine and he was scared because he thought you was gay...
NIC: No I was scared because I thought he
was gay because that other guy told me he was but I knew he wasn't
gay and I didn't care anyway...
NIC: How come you know that?!
WEIRDO: (from afar) Because I knoooow everything...
But the first time...
The first time you both said "OK, we're going
to do music together," what happened then.
NIC: ...No! It was a Saturday night.
Jean-Mich, come closer...
Jean-Michel, come closer to us!...
NIC: ...We were at Fourmi Atomik, I was spinning
and he came up to me and said (burps loudly)...
NIC: ...(burps loudly) He said to me "I'm
looking for a DJ to do music with..." so I answered "I'm looking
for a musician to do music with" (burps loudly), and we went in
the studio the next day... Two days later...
What about the first track you ever did together?
NIC: It was horrible! A real nightmare...
A nightmare, except...
JM: We were happy nonetheless...
NIC: We were happy because we thought that
at least we knew that we could work together...
It's really touching to watch how you two look
at each other during an interview; you look like a sweet old couple...
JM: (sounding like a little old lady) It
was nice in the beginning, wasn't it? When you weren't sure whether
I was gay or not and Ben Champagne was freaking out...
It think I'm going to title this interview "Ben
Champagne"...
JM: Interview with a vampire...
So how long has it been now.
NIC: Two years.
Two years! Already!
NIC: It's been two years, but it's not that
long considering we've already had the fucking chance to play
for fucking 10 000 people after only two fucking years...
Fucking right! Two years to reach the 10 000-people-arena-gig
is nothing!
NIC: It's good when you consider that bands
like Rush took 15 years to reach that point! (laughs) Just fibbing!
JM: Yeah, but this is not the same.
NIC: I know it's not the same...
JM: There's 10 000 people, but this is a
party. When we reach the point where it is a party whose main
attraction is us, then we'll have achieved...
It's true, what you're saying is true, because
those 10 000 people did not come here just to see you guys...
JM: All this means is that we were right
in time for what's going on right now...
NIC: Exactly...
So you think that in our scene, whether you call
it the House scene, the Techno scene or whatever, it's all a question
of being at the right place, at the right time?
JM: Well... Yes... Yes but...
NIC: Yes, but then again, it's also really
important that you have people around you who really believe in
what you're doing...
JM: Of course...
Which is why I'm here!
NIC: Exactly... It's because of these people
that you can exist. If these people don't believe in what you're
doing, you won't get anywhere. And if you produce shit, then it's
obvious those people won't be there for you... Unless your shit
can attract 10 000 people. I can't really... Hyping something
shitty is really easy, but coming up with quality productions
that are worthy of the hype surrounding them is really hard...
JM: ...Musically, we're taking our time.
And I think it's the advantage we have over a lot of other producers.
We're taking our time to carefully develop our sound...
(to JM) How do you see your role in the Couches?
Which one of you two IS the Couches?
NIC: It's him...
JM: The Couches is Nic and I because on my
part, if... If... Often... Let me explain to you how we operate...
I think I'm doing a pretty good interview here!
I like the questions I'm asking!
NIC: Yeah! It's true!
JM: I think so! Anyway... The way it happens,
most of the time, when we produce something interesting, we...
Often, I'm in the studio, alone, I make a track and I play it
back to Nic and then we go back to the studio to record it...
Know what I mean? Because...
NIC: I tell him what should be changed...
I bring him my vision of a guy whose been doing this for a long
time...
JM: Exactly, he brings in a certain perspective...
So, finally, you're some kind of two-headed incarnation
of what all DJs are trying to do. Most DJs also try to produce
tracks, but you guys have the best of both worlds, by being a
DJ and a producer, both accomplished...
JM: Exactly... That must be it...
NIC: Exactly... He translates my ideas into
music... And the opposite is also true... I bring the DJing aspect
to his ideas and tell him "You should build this track differently,"
because...
Such as "The break should be longer..."
NIC: Yes, yes...
JM: ...He's in charge of everything that
has to do with structure... I'm in charge of the groove...
Well... You do nice fucking grooves!
JM: Really?
NIC: Fucking right!
REALLY! I just can't wait to have "47 Degrees!"
NIC: You're going to have it soon!
I can't fucking wait!
JM: As a matter of fact, tonight we worked
on something else for it.
So... So far you've released one platter, on your
own label...
NIC: Yep...
What's in the works for the Couches?
NIC: Well... A deal in the U.K. on Ideal...
Ideal is a distribution company that distributes in Europe and
a bit in the U.S. and they have a label called Idea... We're going
to release tracks on Idea, including "47 Degrees," and following
that, we'll see what happens... It's going to be a confidence
issue... So what happens is that it might become Nouvelle Cuisine
again and we will release everything like that...
So in the short term, what happens to Nouvelle
Cuisine?
NIC: It's somewhat on ice... It's on ice
for one release...
NIC: Probably that for the next one, with
the British...
JM: There's also something else in the works...
We want to release "Work It Out."
NIC: Yeah...
NIC: "Work It Out," yeah, that's it...
JM: It's going to be released under another
name...
NIC: It's probably going to be released as
"The Fuckers!"
NIC: Or maybe "The Forkers!"
This is Pascal...
NIC: This is Pascal...
...Guitarist for the Couch Potatoes...
NIC: ...And whose also guitarist for a ROCK
(Nic puts a lot of emphasis on that word) band...
Pascal, you're a Rock'n'Roll star... How do you
like playing with guys that do House music?
PASCAL: I think it's wonderful...
For your information, this is an actual interview
for a Web site... So, as a star guitar player, a star of Rock'n'Roll...
You're almost virtual grandson of Keith Richards, how do you like
playing House music?
PASCAL: I think it's got a groove that's
missing from Rock'n'Roll... And I think that the Couch Potatoes
do House extremely well... So I get a real thrill when I play
with them... I play with them and I feel refreshed! That's really
the main blast...
Would you picture yourself, at some point, giving
up Rock'n'Roll completely and working only with the Couches?
PASCAL: Of course! If the Couches get to
a point where... If I am required to play with the Couches often
and it is interesting for me, I'll do it, no question...
?: We we're in amazing form tonight!
NIC: I cried tonight!
How was it tonight, what did you think of "Bal
en Blanc," Pascal?
NIC: (to Pascal) ...In comparison to a Rock
concert...
...No, no... What did you think of it, period.
PASCAL: My strongest impression, and it was
really a trip, was when I looked straight ahead, I could see the
seats, almost at 45 degrees...
PASCAL: ...and I was looking up and I could
see all these people dancing, with their arms up in the air and
I thought it was awesome... I've played arenas many times with
my Rock'n'Roll bands...
Such as The Respectables...
PASCAL: Yeah, and playing an arena is a real
a trip because when people applaud, you don't really hear applause...
You hear...
It's cool because it's a sound that comes from
nowhere!
PASCAL: (laughs) ...Exactly! Yeah!
...And it just hits you square on and you go "YES!"
PASCAL: Yeah and it gives you such a drive!
Hey! Wait! We've lost Jean-Michel!
PASCAL: I'll be right back...
OK... So apart from that deal in the U.K., where
are the Couches going?
NIC: Well... We want to begin working on
an album...
I mean what's your long-term vision of the Couches...
NIC: Our long-term vision doesn't involve
as many live performances... We want to work on an album... Inspired
by a band you might know... Nuyorican Soul...
Yeah, but do you guys want to conquer the world?
NIC: We want to conquer the world... AND
Japan!
NIC: No! Really!
OK, so I'd like you to tell me... Compare the
Couch Potatoes to Masters at Work...
NIC: Well... We...
NIC: Masters At Work have Latin blood...
Do you think that some day you'll be as big...
Or bigger?
NIC: Maybe on a Canadian scale... Because,
the way I see it, Masters At Work, or Nuyorican Soul or whatever,
are an influence to us and our album will follow in the steps
of Nuyorican Soul's because it will involve a real drummer, session
musicians, you know... It won't be a dance album... It's going
to be an album you can dance to, but also listen to at home...
It's going to have soul...
Jean-Michel is back and he heard part of your
answer, but I'm going to ask him the same question anyway... Compare
yourselves to Masters At Work... As big? Bigger? Where will you
end up?
JM: Bigger would be... Would be... Bigger
would be lying, because what they do is really...
Yeah, but in the long term...
JM: In the long term?... In the long term
that is the vision I have... To reach that level of musical quality...
They are an example for us...
To reach a point where you can show everyone else
how it's done...
JM: Yeah... And it's not... They're the only
ones that... Well I know about this less than Nic does, but among
artists that I listen to, they're the ones that use the least...
They really work "musically," they really compose tracks and that's
really important to me... To be able to compose music that people
think is based on a sample but it's not...
So, your real disadvantage compared to them is
that neither of you is married to India!
JM: Not yet!
Not yet!!! Jean-Michel said not yet! I told him
that your only disadvantage compared to Master at Work is that
neither of you is married to India...
NIC: Maybe not, but we've got Hilary... Hilary
is our vocalist...
NIC: And she's a kickboxer...
Yeah! Oh! So, for the benefit of this interview,
I will state this, since Hilary is no longer here to do so herself...
The vocalist for the Couch Potatoes is named Hilary and besides
singing with the Couches, she's also a professional stuntwoman
and has a black-belt in kickboxing... That's something! And she's
what? Five four, 5'5"? She's tiny!
JM: Yeah, but she's...
Yeah! She's quite built...
NIC: I think she kicked-off the show really
well tonight...
PASCAL: Yeah! She walked on stage and started
singing and she really got the crowd going...
Definitely! When she walked on the stage I thought
"Woo-hoo!"
PASCAL: I was really happy when she came
on...
JM: It was a real high!
She was solid when she came on!...
Nancy! Come here!
NIC: Nancy asked me if I had a light and
I told her my ass is on fire!
Nancy, you're Jean-Michel's girlfriend...
NANCY: Yes...
...Or at least most of the time...
JM: More often than not...
...And you're also the official designer for the
Couch Potatoes...
So I'm going to ask you the same question I asked
them for the sake of having somewhat of an outsider's opinion...
Involved, but still outsider... Your long-term vision of the Couch
Potatoes... Where are they going? How far are they going to go?
NANCY: How far they're going? Well, obviously,
right now they've made it in Montreal, and the province of Quebec,
but it's now also going over to England and it will surely spill
over to France. It's a really good beginning and I really see
a positive outlook for the future... If it can reach Asia, it
will be really...
That would really be something... It would really
be something... In our scene, not many people have managed to
achieve this...
JM: There's Carl Craig, but...
Even then...
NANCY: I don't see why it couldn't happen...
Wait, Carl Craig or Carl Cox?
JM: There's that other guy whose managed
to make it somewhat and become an influence musically...
Yeah, true, true, but still you take big name
DJs like we have here tonight, Tenaglia and all that, and they
don't play in Japan that often...
JM: Yeah, but DJing is a whole 'nother ball
game...
NANCY: But that's what I mean though... They
(the Couches) really have a special product in that it is "real"
music, whereas those big names are only DJs and I think that because
this is real music...
That's what I was saying earlier... The Couch
Potatoes are an incarnation of what all DJs are trying to achieve,
I mean being as good DJs as they are good producers or vice-versa
and they have achieved it already...
NANCY: Yes...
Agreed, they have to be two guys, but I think
that's their advantage: there's two of them. So the fact that
they actually compose, not merely "produce" turns out to be quite
an advantage for them...
NANCY: Right... Look at Daft Punk, they are
two producers...
Right! Take what they have done on stage tonight...
They could tour the world with that! A warm-up set by Nic followed
by a performance by the Couches and...
NANCY: Exactly... I think it's a lot like
Daft Punk and there's no one doing this here in Quebec...
It's WAY better!
Oh! We now have among us the official manager
of the Couches, Eric Lapointe, the man who rocks...
I'm gonna ask you the same question I asked everyone...
Where are the Couches going, in the long-term I mean. What's your
long-term vision for the Couches?
PASCAL: All around the world!
This is a genuine interview for a Web site...
ERIC: Where it's going, where it's going...
Fucking question, big question...
It's a big question for a big Web site... Where
are the Couches going?
ERIC: I really, really, really, really, really
have no idea...
Is there a limit somewhere?
ERIC: Oh! No! absolutely no limit... I have
no idea how far they're gonna go...
It's gonna go around the world... It HAS to go
around the world!
ERIC: That's obvious...
We agree on that...
ERIC: Oh! I see! "Where is it going?" It's
gonna go all around the world...
I'm gonna ask you the other question I asked everyone,
Jean-Michel and Nicolas a few minutes ago... Compare the Couch
Potatoes to Masters at Work... As big? Bigger?
ERIC: As big...
At least as big?
ERIC: At least as big...
How long you give them to get there?
Realistically...
ERIC: At least... Hmmm...
ERIC: ...Thirty thousand...
No... (laughing) How much TIME... (laughing) Thirty
thousand!
ERIC: Thirty thousand dollars... (Laughs)
I meant how much time, but...
ERIC: We need 30 000$ to get there... Time
is money...
OK, good... Thanks! Where's Nic now?
ERIC: He must be, you know...
Is he still here?
ERIC: There he is...
He's leaving...
NIC: He's leaving... With his wife... With
his wife and child... (He says that last part as if he's singing
a "rigaudon," a type of folk song/dance)
One last word please... One last word...
NIC: One last word... Well fucking everyone
I wanted to see tonight was here and Hilary made me cry and even
Eric Lapointe rocked himself, so what else can I say...
(to Jean-Michel) A last word...
JM: Well... A last word... I thought it was
cool to do this interview with you... It was wonderful... It just
that... It would have been nice to talk even longer...
NIC: My baby was dancing on the dancefloor
with my wife all around him!
(to Julie) Julie, a few words...
JULIE: No, no, no...
NIC: Oh! Come one! A little word...
Please! One little word!
NIC: A cute little word...
Well, actually, she said three... She said "No,
no, no!"
JM: ...It's all about the ambiance...
...Yeah, but the Couch Potatoes live, honestly,
what is it, really?
JM: The Couch Potatoes live is musicians
jamming over our productions... That's what we offer to the audience...
But you and Nic, in percentage...
JM: In percentage, it's 90% studio work and
10% of live performance...
And Nic?
JM: Nic is there to support...
...Just Nic...
JM: Nic... Nic helps...
PASCAL: Yeah! Nic throws in tracks on top...
JM: What he does with his decks is really
interesting, he creates moods... He does exactly with his decks
as I do with my keyboards...
You're a liar... Get out of here!
JM: Good-bye...
And this, my friends, is how the interview ends... I like to
provoke people like I just did and rest assured that Jean-Michel
knows how I am. The interview ends like this solely because we
were both tired of it. All in all, we were in that shower room
for almost an hour. Besides, we had a whole lot of partying to
do!
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